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Post by Ana on Oct 14, 2005 13:49:17 GMT -5
it's all in the title!
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Post by zobothewitch on Dec 17, 2005 14:00:45 GMT -5
Im for the war. Some of might think thats bad but just think if we didnt go and attack them they could have attacked us. You don't have to support the war but at least support the troops.
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Post by Ana on Dec 17, 2005 17:03:57 GMT -5
i of course support the toops, but i am against the war.and yes, i know sept. 11th, happened, and other things, but we quickly jumped to conclusions that ti's iraq's fault. and yes, it's good that we got saddam hussein, but i think we need to stop with the bombing and killing and do everything in a more peacefuul way.
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Post by Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker on Dec 17, 2005 18:35:40 GMT -5
First off, I support the war in Iraq. Of course, as Ana suggested, finding a peaceful solution would have been ideal. No one likes the death and destruction that come with war. However, had we peacefully negotiated with the terrorists, we might have made the situation worse. As zobothewitch suggested, if we didn't go after them, they could have gone after us. Thousands of people were killed on 9/11. While we were talking things out with the terrorists, they could've attacked us. We couldn't have risked that. Second of all, we did not jump to the conclusion that it was all Iraq's fault. The war in Iraq is part of the bigger war on terrorism as a whole. Saddam Hussein is a terrorist. He was also a very oppressive dictator. One of the reasons terrorists attack and hate places like America, is because they are free countries. Therefore, one of the best ways to protect against terrorism is by spreading freedom and democracy throughout the world. Iraq was not only a possible threat, but a place where, by capturing Saddam, freedom could emerge. As we saw on Thursday from Iraq's successful parliamentary elections, freedom and democracy are emerging, and, the thousands Iraqis who risked their lives to go vote, obviously want this democracy. We are winning the war in Iraq. And ultimately, this is the first step in winning the war on terror.
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Post by Ana on Dec 17, 2005 18:44:31 GMT -5
ok, but now we've got saddam hussein, we've got people voting. do we really need to blow up any more cities! form here on, can't we go on a little more peacefully?
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Post by Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker on Dec 17, 2005 18:55:21 GMT -5
True, the situation in Iraq is getting better, but like I said, we are winning the war. We haven't quite won yet. It's important that the U.S. soldiers train in Iraqi forces to be able to provide secuirty for their country. Also, there are still attacks in Iraq, and we must do our best to protect the Iraqis. If we leave, everything could fall apart. We've accomplished so much, we can't let that all go to waist. Also, in interviews with Iraqis a few days ago, that I watched, the Iraqis expressed that their happiness, but also their greatest fear: that U.S. troops would leave. We need to stay put for now. Should we eventually get out of Iraq, of course! But, now is not the time.
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Post by Ana on Dec 17, 2005 21:55:52 GMT -5
HOwever, one of hte growing problems of hte war is money. we can't keep spending money on the war, and we are alreayd millions of dollars in debt. If it is really true that iraquis want americans to stay, then yes we should be there, and of course i know we have to get out of there one day. But now that we've got it going the right way, can't we just negotiate?
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Post by Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker on Dec 18, 2005 8:18:33 GMT -5
HOwever, one of hte growing problems of hte war is money. we can't keep spending money on the war, and we are alreayd millions of dollars in debt. Sure, money is something to consider, but also consider the atlernative. Which would you rather have, a little money troubble, or a terrorist attack? I agree completly with this statement. However, this statement seems to be an exact contradiction. At first you said we should stay, because the Iraqis want us to. Now you say we should just negotiate. I'm slighty confused. However, putting that aside, I disagree with this part of your statement, for reasons that I have already stated.
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Post by none on Dec 18, 2005 14:02:25 GMT -5
I don't like it. It's...KILLING! Erm...but I don't fully understand the war. I mean....I don't know why were there basically. I'm clueless.
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Post by Ana on Dec 18, 2005 16:50:50 GMT -5
i'm not clueless but i odn't know as much as ldragontongue. i just feel really sorry for all those soldiers in Iraq.
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Post by Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker on Dec 18, 2005 17:26:23 GMT -5
To make a long story VERY short: The reason we are having a war on terror is because of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Iraq was, at the time of the war, under the control of Saddam Hussein, one terrorist who was seen as a threat. The U.S. captured Saddam, and is now trying to bring democracy to Iraq. Hopefully, aquasplash, this answers your question. Now, I understand perfectly what the two of you are saying. War is killing. Also, the terrible things that are happen in any war do make you feel sorry for the soldiers who are living it each day. No one would disagree with that. But consider the alternative. Thousands and thounsands of people could be getting blown up right now by a terrorist group. And, in addition, the Iraqis could still be getting tortured by Saddam Hussien's regime. That seems to be an even more tragic circumstance to me.
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Post by Ana on Dec 18, 2005 17:37:38 GMT -5
but you know, as i listen to the news, i don't hear of any advances we'vemade. care to expand on that? you watch the news more then i do, i'm sure.
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Post by Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker on Dec 18, 2005 17:41:31 GMT -5
What advances have we made?? We've captured Saddam Hussien! The Iraqis have had elections! There is HOPE for their country!!! That is a lot of progress. Want to hear more? President Bush is giving a speech on Iraq today at 9:00 from the Oval Office. I'm sure he'll talk all about this.
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Post by Ana on Dec 18, 2005 17:43:18 GMT -5
ok, besides saddam hussein and the election, we know that. but what else are we doing? i mean how long have we been there? at least a year?
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Post by Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker on Dec 18, 2005 17:50:14 GMT -5
Yeah. But, think about it, democracy doesn't come quickly or easily. What have made a lot of progress. I think part of the problem is that people expect a bit too much. I'm sure the Iraqi people never dreamed of being able to vote all within the course of a year or a few. Like you said: Saddam, votes, but what else have we done? I think that's an awful lot that we've done. And also, I believe the world is better off because of it. And thats one BIG thing we've done.
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