your opinions on the war in iraq

[Ana]

you're very convincing. but how long can we keep going, witha ll this money, and the disasters we've had this year that need money. also, why didn't the other nations agree to help us? probably because they disprove of the war. maybe they have a point. and i know the iraquis want us to stay, that's great, we're staying. but..i just dont' really know how to explain this. well, the terrorists are doing all these suicide bombings to kill americans so they'll get out of iraq, and that's how they endanger the iraqui citizens.

[Ana]

off topis, sorry, but yay! we made 2 pages. our first 2 page world issues debate!

[Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker]

Thank you for the complement I can see you are improving your debating skills, too. I love debating. *sigh* Back to business.
Of course we need money. But, it's ok. I wouldn't mind losing a little money to keep our country safe anyday. It's ture, other nations aren't joining us, and disapprove of the war. But, that doesn't necessicarly mean they have the right idea. Spain pulled out after the march 11th terrorist attacks on Madrid. I'd would like to think that a terrorist attack would make a country more determined to go out and fight, not to retreat. You know why? Because the terrorists WANT us to leave Iraq. I repeat that: the terriorists--like those who hijacked planes, crashed into bulidings, and killed innocent americans, like those who bombed transportation in Madrid and London--they want us to leave Iraq. You can tell this from the emails and letters they send to each other, that the U.S. has found. They say things like: don't worry, the American media will eventually drive them out. And I agree, terrorists are bombing Americans so we'll leave. But should we? NO WAY! Because that'll only endanger Iraquis MORE. The terrorists want us to leave because we are killing and capturing them!!

[Ana]

well, the american media is certainly not encouraging. after this debate, i kinda dsee your point that the war is good(not that war dcan ever be good, but yea). i think we need some new opiniosn on this-other debators.

[Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker]

Don't mean to get off-topic but, yay! It's nice to know that I'm somewhat convincing. Well on my way to becoming a senator aren't I??

[Ana]

yes, and good thing filibusters are allowed..although 80 people would probably have shut us up by now with all our off topic stuff. anyway, let's leave this until we get some new people and opinions.

[none]

They say things like: don't worry, the American media will eventually drive them out. And I agree, terrorists are bombing Americans so we'll leave. But should we? NO WAY! Because that'll only endanger Iraquis MORE. The terrorists want us to leave because we are killing and capturing them!!

So, what you're saying is that to get us to leave, and to get us to stop killing them, they have decided to bomb us?

At first, I was totally for "THE WAR NEEDS TO STOP!" Just because I don't like violence, action yes, violence no! Anyways, I've read through what the both of you have said. You both make your point. ldragontongue, you are truly convincing. But, like I said, I don't like violence and I still wish there was another way. I mean, people are out there dying and they died with honor, yes, but it's really sad because you never know, they could make anyone go to Iraq and then they might die and then well...it could be someone you know--love. Yet...at the same time...I think we should stand up for ourselves and not let them win...still I think I'm against the war. Sorry if what I wrote isn't very good like what you two have been writing, but I still don't know much, even though ldragontongue explained it a bit. (Thanks, by the way.)

[Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker]

I don't like violence and I still wish there was another way. I mean, people are out there dying and they died with honor, yes, but it's really sad because you never know, they could make anyone go to Iraq and then they might die and then well...it could be someone you know--love.

I understand exactally what you mean. War, any war, not just the war in Iraq, is terrible. If we were to have a debate on war in general, I think that everyone would agree that war is bad. But, I also think that acts of terrorism are equally as bad. The reason that I support the war, is because I care strongly about my country, and I feel that we would be more seceptible (sp?) to attacks if we wern't going after the terrorists.
P.S. Thanks for the compelment. I mean all that stuff I said on the person above you game. Also, about the information, you're welcome. It wasn't to hard to write up some basic info. Glad I could help.
P.P.S Ana, 60 people are needed for cloture (to end a fillibuster), not 80.

[zobothewitch]

Well you said above that everyone would agree that war is bad but i dont as bad as that sounds.
"they could make anyone go to Iraq and then they might die and then well...it could be someone you know--love."
did you know that alot of soldiers actually signed up to go fight in iraq.
and pretty much with everything that idragontongue has said was exactly what i was thinking but not so complicated. well done.

[Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker]

Thank you. I think that war in general is bad. However, you do have a very good point. Aquasplash said- "they could make anyone go to Iraq and then they might die ". However, that would be is there was a draft. There is not a draft, and I do not believe that people will be drafted into Iraq. Our army is made up of volenteers. Those people who are serving in Iraq, are doing so because they want to protect our country. Nice point, zobothewitch.

[Ana]

ok, i totally agree with aquasplash, and yes, both sides have a point. btw, you are coinvincing. but now i start to see your side and i understand that perhaps your'e right, although i too wish there was another way. good debating everyone!

[none]

did you know that alot of soldiers actually signed up to go fight in iraq. Yes, actaully I did know. But anyways...
I see everyone's opinions, but I still don't think I'm so happy with a war. BUt, I don't know if I should reply to this one anymore, cuz I like, don't know what to say!

[Ana]

ok, another point that i discussed with other people: besides saddam, how do we know there are terrorists are in iraq? saddam is more of a tyrant, but are there terrorists? suicide bombers, yes, but they just want us to get out!!

[Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker]

Are there terrorists in Iraq? I don't think that is even debatable! Yes, there are terrorists in Iraq. Those suicide bombers you mentioned, they aren't just innocent Iraqis who want us to get out! I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions that people make about the Iraq war. The bombers are NOT I repeat NOT nice people. They are blowing up Iraquis as well as American soldiers. This isn't some kind of protest. Iraq is a very different country from the US, with lots of terrorism. I go back to the point I made earlier: "I agree, terrorists are bombing Americans so we'll leave. But should we? NO WAY! Because that'll only endanger Iraquis MORE. The terrorists want us to leave because we are killing and capturing them!!" And there was a great example of that today. We killed on of the top terrorist leaders, al Zarquai (sp?), who was DEFINATALLY a terrorist.

[Ana]

off topic: definately is spelled with an e.

Ok, well, i dunno, i'd say Iraq isn't te only country that's full of terrorists. and most people think we're bombing iraq cuz we want oil, which is also part of the reason they want us out of there.