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Post by Ana on Mar 19, 2005 17:01:08 GMT -5
ok, we've had A LOT of debate about related topics like this but anyway. at first i made classes optional, then homework. now that homework is optional, should classes be required? i wanna hear your arguments and then make up my mind.
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Post by Hufflepuff Princess Dite on Mar 23, 2005 19:43:31 GMT -5
Well, I guess that if we decide to, it should only be one.
I mean, it is a school, but I think that if that person doesn't pick a class after a month after they join, you should automatically put them in Muggle Studies, or something that's free. It's not fair that they have to pay for stuff for a class that they don't even want.
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Post by Ana on Mar 23, 2005 20:00:55 GMT -5
that's a good point. 1 or two is what i meant, because we have totally inactive members. my friend, though, from school would be an exception because she's really busy and well..she's my friend.
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Post by Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker on Mar 23, 2005 20:55:22 GMT -5
I believe that you should not force anyone to join classes. It's true, people should not be inactive members. But inactive membership is a totally different debate. Like I said during the homework debate, you should not force people to do anything. If they want to join just to be in compitions, to get newsletters, or to join the fourms, let them do that! People may join your site for more reasons than classes. Doesn't mean they are inactive!
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Post by Ana on Mar 23, 2005 21:34:36 GMT -5
yes, but some people don;'t do anything AT ALL. then they quit. and that's very annoying.
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Post by Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker on Mar 23, 2005 23:05:56 GMT -5
I thought that I had addressed eairler that inactive members is another whole debate! People should not be forced into doing anything! And have you ever thought to think that some people are busy? You shouldn't force people to do anything other than the basic regulations! It's not the way to make a popular website!
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Post by Hufflepuff Princess Dite on Mar 24, 2005 5:33:07 GMT -5
It's not fair that Ana sorts people, adds them to the dorms, adds the pics for the stuff they need, and they don't take classes or do anything.
That's a reason why talking about members is okay here, as long as we stick to it being for classes.
I mean, it's supposed to be a school, not a guestbook. In schools, they have classes. Every kid needs to go to at least one class. If not, they get suspended and expelled and stuff. I don't think Ana should have to go through all the members and see who has classes, and who don't, then delete the people.
I constantly notice that in most debates and vote/ arguements I get into, like this, a small amount of people pay attention to some of the most important thing.
In this arguement, the most important thing to remember is, this is supposed to be a school-type. The keyword is school.
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Post by Ana on Mar 24, 2005 7:51:13 GMT -5
yeah, that's why i think members should be deleted-they don't do anything. and i get them their wand, robes, and cloak, which they need to ATTEND. it ends up 15 galleons, and out of 500 that's not much.
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Post by Arianhrod on Mar 24, 2005 19:52:46 GMT -5
I think classes should not be required because everyone here is busy at school. Do we really need to have more responsibilites. Also, forcing people to take classes would not make them active members. It is easy to join and just not do anything on that class.
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Post by Ana on Mar 24, 2005 20:47:29 GMT -5
you have a very good point arianhrod. but i originally started this debate just to hear everyone's arguments, so i don't nreally have a side. i need to make a descision soon, though.
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Post by Lilly Dragontongue-Skywalker on Mar 24, 2005 21:23:03 GMT -5
Some people are extremely active on the site, and do not participate in the classes! Take one great example...me! Ana, if it weren’t for the original legislation requiring every member to take classes, I wouldn't be in them! However, I would still have had heated debates on homework, and I have worked so hard on your site that I know you cannot deny it! So, if I had delayed signing up for a class until you made it optional, I wouldn't be in any. Would you choose to delete me? If you say that you would because of a rule requiring classes, then you really need to look over just how much I've done for you site. If the answer is no because I am so active in other things, this PROVES that the new rule is a dangerous policy choice! Now, I DO NOT CARE that I am technically signed up for classes. I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR: but some people do nothing on the site! This ISN'T ABOUT INACTIVE MEMBERS! This is about whether or not people who contribute to the site by means other than participating in classes should be punished. That is the only question being asked. Think about it, during the homework debate we decided to make homework optional for the reason that this is a WEBSITE not a real school. If people want to participate in the school-like activities that is their choice! THE KEYWORD IS NOT SCHOOL! If this website’s only purpose was to teach classes, I would be an inactive member. Instead, look at how much I do for the site! If someone chooses to use HWH as a school site, fine! But, Ana, some members join to try and get website privileges. You’re site is a lot more than interaction. Some people may like the site, and joined to get the membership benefits! Maybe, what you should do is find a way to please these people too. What I love about this website is the polls, contests, and forums. That’s why I am a proud member. People have different reasons for join your site. I agree that people do tend to miss the key points of debate, and HWH has much more on it than classes. This is a site for all-around HP. On the forums even, we have book discussions, movie discussions, and common rooms for members. So, why does Ana have to put up with sorting people? Maybe some people want to chat with other house members, or join the secret agency. The key words are: website, and, my favorite, public interest. You need to accommodate for everyone. That is the only way that you will be able to have a successful website. And when I say accommodate, I do not mean accommodating whether or not people want classes to be required. You must have classes for those who want a school-type site. You must have fan information for those who want a fan site. The point of HWH was not to create a school. It was to create a Harry Potter site that also included an interaction section, where you could connect with people who were as obsessed as you. You’re point is shining through quite clearly. Inactive members are a big problem, but this debate is not about them, except for the fact that this could be used against them. You sometimes wonder why people miss the point in their debates. Often times, it is because the other side does not want to hear the point. They want it their way or the highway. You want a policy that will allow you to kick out an inactive member. Mage Princess suggested that people be kicked out if they are not in a class. I say that this policy might hurt the site, because some active members may be punished for not taking a class, and it could possibly turn people to another HP interactive site instead of yours, which we do not want. I realize that you want inactive members to get out. From your E-mail’s and PM’s I can tell this quite well. By pretending that classes are the main point of the site, you have an easy way to do so. But is this is best option? Should classes be required? No, because they are not the foundation of the site. Members can be active in many ways other than classes, that this is not a school-type site. It is a diverse site with MANY things to choose from for all kind of HP fans. If you want an inactive member policy, as Debate Club President, I suggest that the best thing to do is to start a debate thread on inactive membership. The solution to this problem will not be found in requiring classes, but in setting up a policy that every member will agree with, which is why I think we should set up another debating thread. Thank You.
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Post by Ana on Mar 24, 2005 21:28:19 GMT -5
ow, that hurt my eyes-that was long! lol.
anyway. Ok, so i understand that classes isn't the best option. however, should we force them to do something? should we punish them by dedeucting onts or kick them out? where do we draw the line is a big question. I mean, there are some members who do things then become inactive or suddenly become acgive. they're fine. but there are ones who joined in october and havent' done a single theing. should they be kicked out? ok, so i think we should set up another thread. but what should be the actual debate questin? you can do that yourself.
and very good debate by the way. nice arguments!!
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Post by Arianhrod on Mar 25, 2005 12:20:45 GMT -5
I really do not think it is fair to force people to participate or leave. I think there needs to be some punishment for being inactive, but kicking them out seems more than a little harsh.
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Post by Ana on Mar 25, 2005 12:53:11 GMT -5
that's why we're having a debate about inactivity: what should be the punishment, how can we tell, etc...
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Post by Arianhrod on Mar 26, 2005 10:53:41 GMT -5
Okay. I think that, until we decide that, we cannot finish this debate. Leave it unlocked, but don't return until we've decided that.
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